The blond one of the right reminds me of 'Olga' from "'Ello 'Ello"

Am I the only one getting image display errors here? I keep saying text instead of forum icons...

All seems ok from here, haven't noticed any problems with the site.

Summarizing the last of SG-1 AND atlantis? They're not very connected... But, for atlanti,s long story short, city ends up heavy damaged floating in san francisco bay, but intact.

I never saw SG-1 in sequence so couldn't tell ya

I think that that's a sh###y photo, the blonde will probably be hotter in the actual show. No hope for the Asian bird though, but yeah, the standout is the tall brunette in the purple. Yes please.

[EDIT]OK, other photos show the asian accountant woman isn't so bad, but still...

She doesn't look Asian in some photos. I think she's half.

'Asian accountant woman' was Chun-Li, y'know.

Quasi-Asian doesn't look so bad to me...

Flipside wrote:Yes, but how many ships did you see being destroyed? That's the difference, after all, Star-Wars showed a planet being destroyed as well, but somehow managed to quickly gloss over the loss of several billion lives as some kind of Jedi headache, and yet lingered emotionally over the death of about 5 X-Wing pilots. B5 lingered a lot more over the fate of those on the planet, however, and it just sort of ramped up from there, people became less interesting in showing the Victories, and more interested in showing the losses.

It's as much to do with how the loss is presented as the actual numbers involved

B5 lost quite a few planets (two Vorlon planet killers blasting planets into pieces as well as at least one Shadow planet killer, Star Wars only had one planet killer), and while we didn't actually see much in the way of space battles, the episode where Kosh (not me) died made it pretty clear there were lots of random shadow attacks, and everytime the younger races got their arses kicked, badly.

It's a question of representation though, Star Wars ignored the tragedy to a large degree, Babylon 5 referred to tragedies and, for example, in the Shadow Planet Killer scene, drew out the 'horror' of the situation far more, but still shied away from being too graphic or overly angsty, there was always a level of 'hope' involved. Finally producers started thinking 'screw 'hope', let's just go for all-out angst.

Though, I'm not suggesting a 'smooth' change at all, look back at old BBC series like 'Blakes 7' which was, admittedly, years ahead of it's own special effects, and it's apparent that there's always been a certain interest in that kind of storyline, but like all things, when something original becomes mainstream, it loses its originality.

Maybe SGU will be a 'better' version of Star Trek Voyager. Just because they have no hope of getting home doesn't mean it is going to be all doom and gloom.

Voyager ended up barely ever touching on its main premise...

Flipside wrote:It's a question of representation though, Star Wars ignored the tragedy to a large degree, Babylon 5 referred to tragedies and, for example, in the Shadow Planet Killer scene, drew out the 'horror' of the situation far more, but still shied away from being too graphic or overly angsty, there was always a level of 'hope' involved. Finally producers started thinking 'screw 'hope', let's just go for all-out angst.

I think you're forgetting Confessions and Lamentations. That's as dark as any episodes of a sci-fi show that has come after it.

The Markab weren't some race of the week. We'd seen them all over the station since the first episode. And then the entire race was wiped out in a single episode.

karajorma wrote:

Flipside wrote:It's a question of representation though, Star Wars ignored the tragedy to a large degree, Babylon 5 referred to tragedies and, for example, in the Shadow Planet Killer scene, drew out the 'horror' of the situation far more, but still shied away from being too graphic or overly angsty, there was always a level of 'hope' involved. Finally producers started thinking 'screw 'hope', let's just go for all-out angst.

I think you're forgetting Confessions and Lamentations. That's as dark as any episodes of a sci-fi show that has come after it.

The Markab weren't some race of the week. We'd seen them all over the station since the first episode. And then the entire race was wiped out in a single episode.

Good point, as I said, the change wasn't utterly smooth, but even then, killing alien-looking races still places a buffer between the user and the show emotionally, but it is still an excellent example of the way things were going.

Bombing Mars was pretty dark. And Earthforce ships cutting up civilian ships.