Why the UK is better than the US - part 1

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http://www.badscience.net/2007/10/sense-prevails/

Government report;
The Science and Technology Committee today sets out its conclusions on scientific developments which ought to be considered in any new Parliamentary debate relating to the Abortion Act 1967.

The Committee decided to hold its inquiry in order to inform parliamentary and public debate after it was ruled that abortion would fall within the remit of the Human Tissue and Embryos Bill, which is likely to be presented to the House in the 2007/8 session.

The Committee makes clear that its conclusions and recommendations are restricted to those issues capable of scientific evaluation and recognises that other factors also come into play when abortion law reform is being considered by Parliament.

The Committee concludes that while survival rates at 24 weeks (the current upper limit for abortion) and over have improved since 1990, survival rates (viability) have not done so below that gestational point. The Committee concludes that there is no scientific basis - on the grounds on viability - to reduce the upper time limit.

The Committee supports the removal of the requirement for two doctors signatures before an abortion can be carried out. The Committee is concerned that the requirement for two signatures may be causing delays in access to abortion services and found no evidence of its value in terms of safety.

Nurses and midwives with suitable training and professional guidance, should not be prevented by law from carrying out all stages of early medical and early surgical abortion. The Committee says that it found there is no evidence that this would compromise patient safety or quality of care.

On the issue of foetal pain, the Committee says the evidence suggests that while foetuses have physiological reactions to stimuli, this does not indicate that pain is consciously felt, especially not below 24 weeks. It further concludes that these factors may be relevant to clinical practice but do not appear to be relevant to the question of abortion law.

While new 4D imaging techniques are a useful tool in diagnosis of foetal abnormality, there is no evidence they provide any scientific insights on the question of foetal sentience or viability.

Any debate on the impact an alteration to the upper time limit would have on those women who present late for abortion would be better informed if there was improved collection of information relating to the reasons why women come forward at this late stage and about how many women travel overseas for late abortions.

On the question of the merits of clarification or a definition of “seriously handicapped”, the Committee does not consider that an exhaustive list of abnormalities is feasible, but believes that guidance on what “serious handicap” means would be helpful; and further that data collection in this area be improved.

The Committee concludes there is no evidence relating to safety, effectiveness or patient acceptability that should deter Parliament from passing regulations which would enable women, who chose to do so, taking the second stage of early medical abortion at home. The Committee would like to see the necessary legislative change that would enable this to be pursued or at least piloted.

It also recommends that the clinical guidelines on abortion provision, including health risks associated with abortion, should ultimately be taken over by the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE).

Chairman of the Committee Phil Willis said: “Abortion is a complex issue. Legislative decisions are informed by ethical , moral, religious and political views, case law, scientific and medical evidence. As a Science and Technology Committee, we have focused on the science, and have done so rigorously.

“In our inquiry we have attempted to sift the evidence on scientific and medical developments since the last amendment of the law in 1990 and since the 1967 Act.

“We urge all MPs and the public to study the evidence we have taken and the conclusions we have reached.”

The Report is published at electronically at 0001 on Wednesday 31 October 2007.

Hard copies of the Report can be obtained from TSO outlets and from the Parliamentary Bookshop, 12 Bridge Street, Parliament Square, London SW1A 2JX (020 7219 3890) by quoting the appropriate HC number from Tuesday 6 November 2007.

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Hey, ship those blokes over here...
"If toast always lands butter-side down, and cats always land on their feet, what happens if you strap toast on the back of a cat and drop it?"
-Steven Wright

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Can't remember where I read it, but proportionaly there are no more hard-line christians in the US but they are more likely to vote so they do have a bigger say in how policy is decided upon.

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Roanoke wrote:Can't remember where I read it, but proportionaly there are no more hard-line christians in the US but they are more likely to vote so they do have a bigger say in how policy is decided upon.
Well, the Phelps are in any case a very unique case of bigoted insanity, and you need a substantial population for that type of person to emerge due to simple probabilities.

But also every survey reveals that the percentage of any kind of religious belief is higher in the US than the UK or, indeed, europe, so I'd say there are proportionally more hard-line loonies. It's probably because the country as a whole is more receptive to loony fundamentalists (just look at who they elected), perhaps because you have certain states that are effectively dominated by them (i.e. almost like a mini-theocracy; although of course not as bad as a true theocracy/dictatorship).

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ngtm1r wrote:So basically what you're saying is that your scientists are saying what our scientists are saying also, but your politicians may yet say something totally different, so it doesn't really matter.

And this makes you better.

Right.
Actually, that report is a parliamentary report (by a committee of MPs) which summates the scientific submissions; and both parties have IIRC stated they will(before the report was published) follow the scientific evidence in making any decision on chainging the law to under 24 weeks.

So, yes, it does make us better; our elected officials have promised to obey scientific evidence on the issue, and our elected officials released this report and deliberately disregarded the same non-scientific (biased, non-scientific christian stuff and even false evidence) submissions as apparently form the basis of much of Us law making.

The difference is, to use an analogy - in the Terri Schiavo case the President tried to form a new law on the basis of nothing more than a religious belief. The way the British house works on this aims to do the exact opposite.

EDIT; see also http://www.badscience.net/2007/11/minority-retort/
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