But after? Recon cruisers need Covert Ops 4 and Signature Analysis 5, HACs Assault Ships 4 and Weapons Upgrades 5.Thorn wrote:uh, both? They both need cruiser 5.
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A week for you, perhaps. Not me. Need better implants. :/
It really comes down to being somewhat of the way there for a HAC with a few levels in assault ships and weapons upgrades already, while still needing to get all the prereqs for covert ops. Yet I'd probably be more comfortable in a recon ship since I normally fly a Celestis. :/
It really comes down to being somewhat of the way there for a HAC with a few levels in assault ships and weapons upgrades already, while still needing to get all the prereqs for covert ops. Yet I'd probably be more comfortable in a recon ship since I normally fly a Celestis. :/
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Ngt, how old is your charecter? I've told this to Hades2005 about CAL, but i think its beginnig to apply to you too, so I'll repeat it. Please don't take offense, or feel that you have to play by what I'm going to say.
Long ago when phreak was a month old and I started playing, EvE was very different. People mined, they ran missions, they spent a lot of time just making money. But there was always the constant urge to get a bigger, more powerful ship. So people would mine for money or for minerals to build it. It used to be that you would be in your noobship for up to a week mining to get a frigate. Then you would mive in a frigate for a week or so before you got a destroyer, followed about a month later by a cruiser. But along with flying ships, you needed to be able to fire the guns. So you would train the ships, and you would train te weapons. Eventually, you would be able to fly the ship and shoot the guns. But that was not all. For the ship to work effectively, it needed other modules. So you trained for shield hardeners, armor reps, sensor boosters, and MWD's. Then you could take your new cruiser out to concour the 0.5 belts, or to run the level 2 missions. By this time, you had a large knowledge base of skills level3-5. Nothing was the bare minimum needed, everything got a healthy dosage of training.
Nowadays, It seems to be very different. People are racing to get themselves into bigger ships without taking the time to enjoy what they had. It truly bothers me that a 5 week old has gone through 4 battlecruisers. Noobs nowadays arent learning that the ship means nothing if you don't have skills to make it last, and a knowledge of how the game works. They run off and buy the biggest ship they can, jump in it, and act suprised when they find taht all the civilian modules from their frigate arent working on it.
Myself, I lived the first way. I was in a cruiser about 3 weeks after i started playing. I changed my lifestyle and became a pirate, but I did not reach even the battleship stage untill I was well over 2 months old. When I was 4 months, I finally reached the point of having an assault frigate. I am working now to meerly aquire a raven. I know for a fact that I will not be flying it untill I have every missile mod skill at lvl4+. I'm not rushing to jump into a HAC or T2 BC. I'm taking my time and training my skills while I have fun with what I have. There is no end to EvE. You can't beat the game when you jump in a dreadnought or titan. Recently you, ngt, mentioned that you had gotten an enyo (or if it was an incursus, or whatever taht other assfrig is my mistake). That truly troubled me just as CAL losing his 3rd or 4th BC in what, a week? I wonder NGT, if you could be plunged intoa situation where an AF is the only choice of ship, and survive? Do you think you have that skillbase? If I trained gallente Frig V and we went 1v1 with identical setups, do you think you would win? I think you should take some time and train skills that arent in the spaceship command category. Train shield operation to level 4. Learn to use some T2 guns. T2 mods. Take your time and train things that are useful to the charecter, not the ship. Having destroyers at lvl5 is nice if you're going to fly an interdictor, but it is useless to everything else. Just to sa that
My last point is simple game mechanics and how it is played. It is clear to me that CAL has no idea how the game works if he takes his shiny new BC and attacks a mission battleship without learning how to use his guns effectively, or even insuring his ship. It seems to me ngt, that you misunderstood the threat of lowsec by ignoring seeing a threat to you in an asteroid belt. The eve learning curve is very steep, but its a lot of things that absolutely must be understood.
It just seems to me that people need to take their time a bit more. Instead of training for a HAC or logistics (really, wtf anyway?), train some more gunnery skills. Engineering. Electronics. Mechanics. Learning. Anything that will help you
Long ago when phreak was a month old and I started playing, EvE was very different. People mined, they ran missions, they spent a lot of time just making money. But there was always the constant urge to get a bigger, more powerful ship. So people would mine for money or for minerals to build it. It used to be that you would be in your noobship for up to a week mining to get a frigate. Then you would mive in a frigate for a week or so before you got a destroyer, followed about a month later by a cruiser. But along with flying ships, you needed to be able to fire the guns. So you would train the ships, and you would train te weapons. Eventually, you would be able to fly the ship and shoot the guns. But that was not all. For the ship to work effectively, it needed other modules. So you trained for shield hardeners, armor reps, sensor boosters, and MWD's. Then you could take your new cruiser out to concour the 0.5 belts, or to run the level 2 missions. By this time, you had a large knowledge base of skills level3-5. Nothing was the bare minimum needed, everything got a healthy dosage of training.
Nowadays, It seems to be very different. People are racing to get themselves into bigger ships without taking the time to enjoy what they had. It truly bothers me that a 5 week old has gone through 4 battlecruisers. Noobs nowadays arent learning that the ship means nothing if you don't have skills to make it last, and a knowledge of how the game works. They run off and buy the biggest ship they can, jump in it, and act suprised when they find taht all the civilian modules from their frigate arent working on it.
Myself, I lived the first way. I was in a cruiser about 3 weeks after i started playing. I changed my lifestyle and became a pirate, but I did not reach even the battleship stage untill I was well over 2 months old. When I was 4 months, I finally reached the point of having an assault frigate. I am working now to meerly aquire a raven. I know for a fact that I will not be flying it untill I have every missile mod skill at lvl4+. I'm not rushing to jump into a HAC or T2 BC. I'm taking my time and training my skills while I have fun with what I have. There is no end to EvE. You can't beat the game when you jump in a dreadnought or titan. Recently you, ngt, mentioned that you had gotten an enyo (or if it was an incursus, or whatever taht other assfrig is my mistake). That truly troubled me just as CAL losing his 3rd or 4th BC in what, a week? I wonder NGT, if you could be plunged intoa situation where an AF is the only choice of ship, and survive? Do you think you have that skillbase? If I trained gallente Frig V and we went 1v1 with identical setups, do you think you would win? I think you should take some time and train skills that arent in the spaceship command category. Train shield operation to level 4. Learn to use some T2 guns. T2 mods. Take your time and train things that are useful to the charecter, not the ship. Having destroyers at lvl5 is nice if you're going to fly an interdictor, but it is useless to everything else. Just to sa that
My last point is simple game mechanics and how it is played. It is clear to me that CAL has no idea how the game works if he takes his shiny new BC and attacks a mission battleship without learning how to use his guns effectively, or even insuring his ship. It seems to me ngt, that you misunderstood the threat of lowsec by ignoring seeing a threat to you in an asteroid belt. The eve learning curve is very steep, but its a lot of things that absolutely must be understood.
It just seems to me that people need to take their time a bit more. Instead of training for a HAC or logistics (really, wtf anyway?), train some more gunnery skills. Engineering. Electronics. Mechanics. Learning. Anything that will help you
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I agree with Hippo here, people spend millions on a ship and then wonder how it gets killed so easily, when the fact is they don't actually have the skills needed to keep that ship alive.
I pop into 0.4 in a cruiser, oddly enough thers something about a 6-month player in a little cruiser that makes more intelligent players at least see if I'm worth attacking first (which I'm usually not, I'm hardly carrying anything of value - and intelligent users only attack when it's worthwhile (or possibly fun))
I had a few newer players attack me, usually launching about 12 drones ranging from heavy to medium was enough to make them leave me alone, though, alas, nowadays it would be 6
A cruiser can take down a Battleship, and it boils down as much to the pilots levels at skills as on the weapons used.
I know as a fact that Yoko is starting to get a bit pissed at constantly building Feroxes and s### for people, they are very expensive, in my opinion, too expensive for the ship's abilities.
I pop into 0.4 in a cruiser, oddly enough thers something about a 6-month player in a little cruiser that makes more intelligent players at least see if I'm worth attacking first (which I'm usually not, I'm hardly carrying anything of value - and intelligent users only attack when it's worthwhile (or possibly fun))
I had a few newer players attack me, usually launching about 12 drones ranging from heavy to medium was enough to make them leave me alone, though, alas, nowadays it would be 6
A cruiser can take down a Battleship, and it boils down as much to the pilots levels at skills as on the weapons used.
I know as a fact that Yoko is starting to get a bit pissed at constantly building Feroxes and s### for people, they are very expensive, in my opinion, too expensive for the ship's abilities.
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Hippo, you don't need missile projection 4 to fly a raven, since at Battleship 3 cruise missiles fly around 180km or so. You'd need a number of T2 sensor boosters to reach out that far.
But get your fitting skills to at least 4 for a cruiser/battlecruiser and 5 for a battleship. The last fitting skill i need to work on is weapon upgrades which is needed since launchers take a hella lot of cpu. I'd consider taking shield upgrades to 5, but CCP just axed the PG requirements so its not much of a problem to fit unless you're using oversized extenders, such as a T2 medium on a hawk.
BTW i have 13 level 5 skills: Analytical Mind, Electronics, Engineering, Gunnery, Industry, Instant Recall, Iron Will, Mechanic, Missile Launcher Operation, Refining, Science, Small Hybrid, Spatial Awareness. All of them rank 1, oddly enough.
I'm working on another 4: Caldari Frigate (21%), Shield Operation (46%), Mining (16%), Standard Missiles (1%)
But get your fitting skills to at least 4 for a cruiser/battlecruiser and 5 for a battleship. The last fitting skill i need to work on is weapon upgrades which is needed since launchers take a hella lot of cpu. I'd consider taking shield upgrades to 5, but CCP just axed the PG requirements so its not much of a problem to fit unless you're using oversized extenders, such as a T2 medium on a hawk.
BTW i have 13 level 5 skills: Analytical Mind, Electronics, Engineering, Gunnery, Industry, Instant Recall, Iron Will, Mechanic, Missile Launcher Operation, Refining, Science, Small Hybrid, Spatial Awareness. All of them rank 1, oddly enough.
I'm working on another 4: Caldari Frigate (21%), Shield Operation (46%), Mining (16%), Standard Missiles (1%)
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I just got into assault frigates myself about 3 or 4 weeks ago, and I've been playing nearly a year now.
First thing I did was train Assault Ships up to 4 and get the T2 variant of the small guns. (just finished Amarr, doing the gunnery for Small Projectiles right now). After that, Minmatar Cruiser 5. Then nothing but Gunnery/Navigation skills.
First thing I did was train Assault Ships up to 4 and get the T2 variant of the small guns. (just finished Amarr, doing the gunnery for Small Projectiles right now). After that, Minmatar Cruiser 5. Then nothing but Gunnery/Navigation skills.
Leet Al > I have sh###y charisma, so I compensate by using 7 heatsinks on my Armageddon
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Closing on 4 months if I'm not already there, and I may well be. I've spent a long time in Celestii (is that the plural of Celestis?), Hippo. At least two and a half months, probably more like three plus. I didn't trade up to the Brutix when I got the skill...well, because I didn't want one. I'd gotten used to having my Celestis. It isn't a matter of wanting a bigger ship, I'd love to stay in the Celestis, I know it well and I can get the most out of it in just about any situation. I love this ship, it was my first real introduction to EVE, I did a lot of things for the first time in it. I spent forever running missions for Mr. Eyl in a Celestis, and if you look at my bank account most of the 75mil in there can probably be traced directly to that. (Particularly considering my period of selling Daredevils was almost entirely used to fund the Enyo.)Hippo wrote:Ngt, how old is your charecter?
But you cannot stay in the cradle forever. I need something more powerful to do the kind of things I want to do now.
Merely having the ship is useless if you're not able to fit it, I know. I don't doubt that once I actually get my HAC or Recon Cruiser (very different from logistics.
) it'll spend a few weeks in the hanger while I get the kind of skills I want before I actually try to fight the ship. The Enyo spent more then a month in the hanger while I got my skills up to the levels I wanted before I actually tried to fight the ship. I know well the folly of taking a ship you're not trained well enough to use properly into combat. I learned it with my first destroyer, in a 2/10 rogue drone complex in Tolle.It would also be worthwhile to remember that, in terms of time actually spent ingame, I've probably actually been there for close a third of my theoritical time in the game, perhaps even slightly more. The fact that Cal has gone through as many battlecruisers as he has is also worth thinking about for a moment. I honestly don't believe I could sustain that kind of loss, I'd be well into the red by now. Cal has put in the time and made the ISK necessary to keep going in spite of the losses.
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I particularly liked his comment about spending 18 hours a day playing every day.
I'm not trying to tell you that advancement is bad ngt, meerly that if you do it too fast you're missing something. I'm roughly 2 months older than you doing quick math, so assuming we both had spaceship comand skills trained to the same levels, that would put me roughly 2 months father ahead in various other skills (scanprobes, missile/gunnary, learning, whatever).
MP nearly put his hands on a raven this week. At 6 weeks old, thats a little frightening because the chances of him losing it are extremely high. I'm all for having really easy fights when people come my way, but that seems a little rediculous.
One more time, I'm just offering advice. If you want to sump into something bigger, go ahead. Just don't act like CAL and threaten to leave the game
And if you want my opinion NGT, you should get a dom or mega before a hac/recon. HAC's are strong, but they arent too too much more than a battleship...
I'm not trying to tell you that advancement is bad ngt, meerly that if you do it too fast you're missing something. I'm roughly 2 months older than you doing quick math, so assuming we both had spaceship comand skills trained to the same levels, that would put me roughly 2 months father ahead in various other skills (scanprobes, missile/gunnary, learning, whatever).
MP nearly put his hands on a raven this week. At 6 weeks old, thats a little frightening because the chances of him losing it are extremely high. I'm all for having really easy fights when people come my way, but that seems a little rediculous.
One more time, I'm just offering advice. If you want to sump into something bigger, go ahead. Just don't act like CAL and threaten to leave the game
And if you want my opinion NGT, you should get a dom or mega before a hac/recon. HAC's are strong, but they arent too too much more than a battleship...