My recently adopted stance on the subject is that if the fetus has already been aborted, then let it's life go to help other life. I don't, however, support abortion for the sole purpose of creating stem cells...

Me either. I'm for making it a donation thing, not a paid thing.

And who is anybody to tell a womam whether it was 'Right' or 'Wrong' to abort a foetus??

Let me put it this way......

Are you qualified to make life decisions for people you don't even know? Who's lives you will never have to lead? Of course not. To tell any person that a choice regarding their own body and their own lives is judgement without trial.

And if it is the Bible making those judgements then we are right round back at Square one and Religious rule again.

Those points i agree with...

Flipside wrote:Are you qualified to make life decisions for people you don't even know? Who's lives you will never have to lead? Of course not. To tell any person that a choice regarding their own body and their own lives is judgement without trial.

Exactly! That's precisely what you should consider... but consider it for the child you're aborting. Who are you, or who is anyone, to abort it when it has no say in the matter?

This is 'Mazohyst of Decadence' all over again.... :sigh:

Why is a child, who in many abortion cases would end up abused and or neglected, more important than it's mother?

It's the mother that would have to raise the child, the Social Services are overstretched already. Once again, why is Pro-Life only concerned in one life? Why is Pro-life against the abortion of children with genetic diseases, and yet also against trying to find a cure for them?

It simply conjures up the assumption that Women are supposed to stay at home and raise children until such time as the man is ready to rut with her to create some more. She can't get rid of them, and it's only 5 minutes work for the guy, so who cares what she thinks?

Why would the child be abused or neglected? How many children were born 'mistakes' and grew up with loving parents?

Flipside wrote:Why is a child...more important than it's mother?

It's not, but the child has no voice so it must have an advocate that can speak for it.

BTW, over 1,000,000 children were aborted last year. How many teachers or doctors were they to be? There could have been another Einstein for crying out loud.

Like I said, many, but not all.

And, indeed, how many Hitlers and Stalins did we narrowly escape?

So, a male-dominated Christian fundamentalist society is being the voice for an unborn child that they do not have to carry for nine months. It must be nice having a universal voice of judgement that rings true for every single occasion.

It is actually. 'Course you wouldn't know, apparently being an atheist and all.

Don't turn this into some kind of sexist argument either.

I'm gonna spark more hatred for me with this statement.

Abortion should be the last and final option only if the life of the mother is at stake. AGAIN, only if the mother will die without it.

There are so many options for women who don't want to be mothers that choosing to have an abortion is kind of pathetic.

We wouldn't be having this argument if people would control themselves and not behave like a bunch of dogs in heat. That is one of the reasons the Terrorists despise us. I'm not saying make a return to Victorian times or mores. Just that there are a lot of problems that wouldn't exist if the moral teachings found in the Bible and other texts(mostly religious granted) were followed for strongly. Western Civilization is falling. We are all Hedonists and eventually it will kill our way of life.

liberator wrote:We wouldn't be having this argument if people would control themselves and not behave like a bunch of dogs in heat. That is one of the reasons the Terrorists despise us. I'm not saying make a return to Victorian times or mores. Just that there are a lot of problems that wouldn't exist if the moral teachings found in the Bible and other texts(mostly religious granted) were followed for strongly. Western Civilization is falling. We are all Hedonists and eventually it will kill our way of life.

Oh come on. Have you even read the bible?

Or the first page of the Koran for that matter?

I always find it odd that people believe the morales espoused in the bible are any different to the ones which society as a whole placed upon itself.......i.e. back in that time, there was a set of basic rules which it was apparent that society needed to follow to survive - the common good et al.

Fast forward a few hundred years, and those rules are wrapped up in a few myths / parables and a religion is started to help encourage people to follow them. The social need to help others (and thus to be able to expect help yourself when you need it), becomes the story of the Good Samaritan.


The difference is, society changes, the Bible hasn't.

I realise this post is effectually irrelevant given the fact that most Americans have already voted.

But from watching a few documentaries, I don't really think that it's Bush that 's the problem. It's the Bush Administration. Bush is a big dummy, and all of his advisors like Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Pearl and all of these other 'neo-conservatives' are basically lying to the guy and influencing him to do his bidding.

I'm inclined to agree with you on that. I read somewhere that one of Bush's close friends said that Bush would never have thought up the doctrine of pre-emptive war by himself.