Top Gun wrote:Oh, almost forgot to mention: sudden death overtime? What's that?

NFL does that too

Top Gun wrote:Oh, almost forgot to mention: sudden death overtime? What's that?

overtime?

It's called 'extra-time'. And it's silver-goal, not sudden death.

Night Hammer, soccer doesn't have sudden death in their overtime periods; at least it wasn't played that way in the Olympics, and I've never seen it happen on any of the few soccer games that I've tried to sit through. I'll defer to someone with more knowledge, though. Also, I don't think that the NFL should use sudden death; it doesn't work well with the gameplay mechanics of football. There's no excuse for soccer, though, if it isn't used there.

Aldo, "extra-time"? "Silver-goal"? Is it any wonder why Americans make fun of soccer?

You want to make fun of the phrase "extra time"?

Well, "overtime" is just...cooler.

P.S. In case anyone thinks I'm being serious about any of this, I'm just trying to get a rise out of soccer fans.

Top Gun wrote:Well, "overtime" is just...cooler.

P.S. In case anyone thinks I'm being serious about any of this, I'm just trying to get a rise out of soccer fans.

So do you call the rest of the game 'undertime'?

No, we call it "regulation."

Also, while I'm asking, can any soccer fan give me a sane reason as to why there is "stoppage time"? Why don't they just stop the clock, instead of adding some seemingly random amount of time on at the end?

Top Gun wrote:Is it any wonder why Americans make fun of soccer?

Considering that your national sport is simply rugby in girlie padding I wouldn't start complaining about football if I were you.

Top Gun wrote:No, we call it "regulation."

Also, while I'm asking, can any soccer fan give me a sane reason as to why there is "stoppage time"? Why don't they just stop the clock, instead of adding some seemingly random amount of time on at the end?

Because otherwise matches would last for ages. Also, continously stopping & starting the clock would just be irritating. And other stuff, like what if you play advantage then have to pull back the play & give the free kick?

Futsal (indoor 5-a-sides, 30 minute games IIRC) plays with a stopped clock, stoppage time lasts for about 10 minutes then.

EDIT; also, it's a hell of a lot more exciting to get to the 90 minutes mark and be told you've only got x minutes left to take/hold the lead.

*watches the oncoming soccer riots*

Aldo, to tell you the truth, I don't understand what you mean by "pulling back the play and giving a free kick" or "playing advantage." I also don't see how a stopped clock can be irritating. Ever watch a hockey game? The clock stops every time a whistle is blown or the puck leaves the rink, yet it is still a very fast-paced and exciting game to watch. I don't know anything about this Futsal, but if they play while stopping the clock, why do they even need stoppage time? If you stop the clock when the ball goes out of bounds/when there is an injury or whistle blown, why do you need any stoppage time; since the game clock has stopped, isn't it already accounted for? About your last point, why not say it's just as exciting to look at the clock, reading 85 minutes, and realize that you've got only 5 more minutes to score or else you lose? It's really the same thing, just without the need to add on some amount of time that seems to be arbitrarily decided by a referee. Maybe my whole response to the clock is caused because, in (American) football, hockey, and basketball, the game clocks are run backwards, counting down to 0. Once it hits 0, that's it. To look up and realize that you've got only a minute left in-game to score is pretty tense.

P.S. karajorma, I know how intense rugby is, but if you've ever once watched a football game, you'd hardly call it "girly." I just watched someone on the Philadelphia Eagles get knocked out cold on a kick return, and that was while wearing a "girly" helmet. He would probably have had a skull fracture without one; I hardly call trying to avoid that "girly."

Top Gun wrote:Aldo, to tell you the truth, I don't understand what you mean by "pulling back the play and giving a free kick" or "playing advantage."

Basically if someone commits a foul but the someone from the same team manages to get hold of the ball in a great position the referee will let the play continue for a few more seconds. If the team retain possession the game continues without a stopage. If the player loses the ball after only a few seconds play is stopped and a free kick is taken. You can't do that if you're playing with a stopped clock.

Top Gun wrote:P.S. karajorma, I know how intense rugby is, but if you've ever once watched a football game, you'd hardly call it "girly." I just watched someone on the Philadelphia Eagles get knocked out cold on a kick return, and that was while wearing a "girly" helmet. He would probably have had a skull fracture without one; I hardly call trying to avoid that "girly."

Considering I've seen the same thing happen in rugby and they don't wear helmets.

Top Gun wrote:Aldo, to tell you the truth, I don't understand what you mean by "pulling back the play and giving a free kick" or "playing advantage."

Basically if someone commits a foul but the someone from the same team manages to get hold of the ball in a great position the referee will let the play continue for a few more seconds. If the team retain possession the game continues without a stopage. If the player loses the ball after only a few seconds play is stopped and a free kick is taken. You can't do that if you're playing with a stopped clock.

Top Gun wrote:P.S. karajorma, I know how intense rugby is, but if you've ever once watched a football game, you'd hardly call it "girly." I just watched someone on the Philadelphia Eagles get knocked out cold on a kick return, and that was while wearing a "girly" helmet. He would probably have had a skull fracture without one; I hardly call trying to avoid that "girly."

Considering I've seen the same thing happen in rugby and they don't wear helmets.

Top Gun wrote:Aldo, to tell you the truth, I don't understand what you mean by "pulling back the play and giving a free kick" or "playing advantage." I also don't see how a stopped clock can be irritating. Ever watch a hockey game? The clock stops every time a whistle is blown or the puck leaves the rink, yet it is still a very fast-paced and exciting game to watch. I don't know anything about this Futsal, but if they play while stopping the clock, why do they even need stoppage time? If you stop the clock when the ball goes out of bounds/when there is an injury or whistle blown, why do you need any stoppage time; since the game clock has stopped, isn't it already accounted for? About your last point, why not say it's just as exciting to look at the clock, reading 85 minutes, and realize that you've got only 5 more minutes to score or else you lose? It's really the same thing, just without the need to add on some amount of time that seems to be arbitrarily decided by a referee. Maybe my whole response to the clock is caused because, in (American) football, hockey, and basketball, the game clocks are run backwards, counting down to 0. Once it hits 0, that's it. To look up and realize that you've got only a minute left in-game to score is pretty tense.

Futsal doesn't have stoppage time. What it does have in common with ice hockey, IIRC, is a closed pitch. In normal football the ball can go out of play.

What happens with football is, you get into the 85th or so minutes... and the last 5 minutes is spent waiting to see how much injury time there is. Double tension.

Anyways, the whole point is to keep matches a sensible length. The ball spends something like 20-30 minutes out of play in an average match IIRC... given that most footballers are running about the equivalent of a marathon in most matches, extending it would cause problems (I used to have a map of di-Stefanos running patterns in the 1960 EC final prior to scoring a goal... he basically tracked across the entire patch several times at half pace and sprinting)

Top Gun wrote: P.S. karajorma, I know how intense rugby is, but if you've ever once watched a football game, you'd hardly call it "girly." I just watched someone on the Philadelphia Eagles get knocked out cold on a kick return, and that was while wearing a "girly" helmet. He would probably have had a skull fracture without one; I hardly call trying to avoid that "girly."

Ever had someones ear bitten off? That's happened several times in rugby. Plus they don't celebrate after a tackle, cos the game continues.... which was always an aspect of amerfoot I found daft. Of course, the only professional amerfoot team in Scotland just shut down, which pretty much shows the Scottish attitude towards the sport.

I used to be a decent 2nd row / prop back at school, actually (was quite a bit heavier then, though).

Shinty, however, is probably the most dangerous sport of all - hockey played at head height.