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Why does my status as a conservative make my opinon worthless or worse something to be assaulted?

Why are conservatives labeled bigots and fools and worse automatically when we express an opinion that is in contrast to what the loudmouthed liberals are spouting?

Better question, liberals the ones yelling about tolerance and diversity, and yet they only celebrate your diversity or tolerance if you're on their side. If you're on the other side, you are a fool for not agreeing with them. Why?

Well, sometimes people (i.e. Kazan) do jump on your back for no good reason.

But sometimes you do spout shite; that comment about academics not being able to get proper jobs, for example.

EDIT; also, you called europe immoral, uncharitable, and said that they (we / I?) were against the war because they were corrupt (which presumably includes the electorate?). That annoyed the hell out of me in particular.

I'd don't think it's as if you can claim you've never done anything to piss people off, is what I mean. Kazans an arse; ignore what he says and judge based on others.

The problem is that the original point of view already means you know what the outcome will be....

Take these scientists for example, you don't believe in a lot of the research they are doing, you could say that they believe natures lies. I would say the opposite, however, that they are learning natures truths.

Therefore, from your point of view, scientists are wasting their time, whereas to me they are expending it doing valuable work.

The only halfway point that can lay between us is simply to avoid discussing the topic and accept our differences, alas, there are people on both sides of the argument who don't know when they have reached that stage

And I think we should all avoid making comments along the lines of 'All X are Y'. It is one of Kazan's most annoying attributes

If you post stuff like that on HLP you have to expect to be hit, and that is basicly why I don't post stuff like that. I don't want to be mean, but if you post stuff a news station says, people will argue about how bad that station is, in court that is the easiest way to disprove a case, is to make the sourses look bad. And then there is allways people that won't like you, Kazan don't like me a bit. And thats just the way it is.

It's not that; normally these topics are something which people have very passionate & long held views about, and that sometimes boils over.

And there are, of course, some people who, when they think they have proved their point, have to 'stick their tongue out and go "Nerdy nerdy ner ner"' so loud that they drown out any reasonable answer.....

This is why I like SG better. Everybody here is calm and speak at least cordially if nothing else. Aldo, I didn't mean that the electorate is corrupt, but like so much of history, you're believing you're leader lies.

Don't even mention GWB, I've heard it all and I agree with some of it, other parts I don't. But something that needs to understood, and I do not think that it has, is that he is acting from a position which few men have stood in. He is, quite literally, the single most powerful man on the face of the Earth, a word from him and history changes, for good or ill we(our generation) will likely not live to see. Any complaints about him are based on his open stance of his faith.

But ask yourself this all-important question, would you trust someone like Kazan with the power that GWB commands?

And, for what it's worth, I'm sorry for any misinterpretation. I have a hard time cogitating my thoughts a lot of the time.

I wouldn't trust Kazan to clean my toilet. Yet I agree with him that the President is violating the constitution by making laws based on his faith. His faith is not the same as my faith. Nor is it the same as the great majority of the nation. Yet whatever laws he decides to pass, be it on abortion, or other socio-political occurances (Some of which should not even be addressed by the Government, such as marriage), affect us all equally.

To be honest, there isn't a human on this earth that should have as much power as Bush has. And I think he is going a bit too far.

liberator wrote:This is why I like SG better. Everybody here is calm and speak at least cordially if nothing else. Aldo, I didn't mean that the electorate is corrupt, but like so much of history, you're believing you're leader lies.

Don't even mention GWB, I've heard it all and I agree with some of it, other parts I don't. But something that needs to understood, and I do not think that it has, is that he is acting from a position which few men have stood in. He is, quite literally, the single most powerful man on the face of the Earth, a word from him and history changes, for good or ill we(our generation) will likely not live to see. Any complaints about him are based on his open stance of his faith.

But ask yourself this all-important question, would you trust someone like Kazan with the power that GWB commands?

And, for what it's worth, I'm sorry for any misinterpretation. I have a hard time cogitating my thoughts a lot of the time.

I wouldn't work with Kazan, let alone trust him. Not because of (most of) his political, etc, views - simply because he's a complete and utter twat. Very rarely will I go out and out and just agree with Kazan, because he's shite at actually putting together a coherent and 'listenable' arguement - the spittle gets in the way most of the time.

I think other topics have covered my issues, etc, with Bush - but I don't think you should say that because of his position, we shouldn't be free to criticise him on any issue of his governance. If that governance involves an aspect of his faith, then I think it's fair game (for reasons stated / debated / argued about in many other places).

The Americans, because they are the electorate, and the foreigners (such as myself), because we are affected by the actions of the US regardless.

And, incidentally, pretty much every politician will lie their arse of.... Conservative, Liberal, Labour, Tory, Republican, Democrat, left wing, right wing, etc.... at the end of the day, I wouldn't trust any as far as I could throw them. And (when they are elected) the public that elected them will often swallow that lie - you can see that in any - every - country in the world including the US, UK, and dobutless France, Russia, Germany, etc. So I don't think you can say 'this country lied', because they all are guilty of it.

Also, Lib, remember that all of us have to live with his decisions, right or wrong. A lot of us don't like them, and we're dealing with the consequences more than he is in some cases.