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How much is enough?
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:37 am
by liberator
Guaranteed medical care. Everybody's talking about it. So how much is enough? How should it be managed? How do you pay for it without raising taxes(as that seems to be the watermark)?
How much is enough? Basic preventative care or only treat when it becomes acute?
How should it be managed? The Medicare system, which everyone seems to be using as the example, is one of the most defrauded failures in modern history. Also, if publicly funded medical care is so great, why are people coming to the USA in droves to receive care here instead of getting it in their home countries?
How do you pay for health care for 350+ million people withou raising taxes?
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:49 am
by Taristin
Tax Puerto Rico for starters... >.>
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:51 am
by liberator
If you do that, they might as well become the 51st state, and I don't think they want that. They get all the benefits and none of the problems.
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:57 am
by Taristin
Which isn't fair. They want our benefits, they should pay for them as well.
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:59 am
by Black Wolf
Australia has universal free health care, though Howard's trying his best to get rid of it (hopefully it'll last long enough for labour to get back into power and fix it up). The way I see it, if it works with 20 million people, it would work with 350 million as well, because your tax revenues would increase as well as your necessary expenditures. Of course, you'd need a vaguely competent economic policy to get that right, but, well, meh.
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:21 am
by Hammer
Screw get rid of those damn Puerto Ricans......viva la Cubana!

Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:58 am
by liberator
You're missing the point. The question is how much and what the government covers.
Obviously any cosmetic surgery is right out, except in the case of reconstructive surgery after an accident or major illness. That extends to any elective surgery, from boob jobs to pectoral implants to Godonlyknowswhat.
Understand, I don't actually oppose the government providing some guarenteed level of level of care as long as the patient has the option of seeking additional private care.
What I fear is a bunch of lowlifes, doctors and patients, milking it like they do medicare and the welfare system.
It makes me sick to drive by government housing and see all these people living in cinder block houses by the hundreds, and yet not one of them drives an older car(like me) and every single inhabited building have ****ing Direct TV. They live better than I do(appoximately 60 sqft to call my own,and even that belongs to my dad), don't do a damn thing to get off of welfare, while I scrape and scrimp on a minimal stipend from my parents and can't even get a job and ****ing Wal-Mart.(And people wonder why I'm depressed sometimes.)
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:27 pm
by castor
Maybe it was manageable, if people started to live more healthier lives.
There is no end of cost in horizon, if we don't get the resposibility of ourselves, but always expect medicine, technology, politicians(?), police etc. fix what is broken.
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:31 pm
by Shinobi
'ello.
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:50 pm
by castor
Thanks Shin
Whats good with HLP being down, is that it gives a motivation to check out some other related sites, like this one. And a nice place you seem to got here, too.
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:02 pm
by Shinobi
Meh: Sectorgame > Hard Light Productions. (more reliable too)
Anyway, back on topic...
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:06 pm
by Hunter
Meh: Sectorgame > Hard Light Productions. (more reliable too)
The wheel certainly turns doesn't it. I bet WCSAGA are pulling their hair out now

Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:44 pm
by Black Wolf
Hunter wrote:Meh: Sectorgame > Hard Light Productions. (more reliable too)
The wheel certainly turns doesn't it. I bet WCSAGA are pulling their hair out now

Muah ha ha...
Castor: Welcome to SG, but, err... why is your vasudan blue?
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:02 pm
by Moonsword
They're still working over at the CIC. Granted, if they have anything they want me to do, they'd better e-mail me since I don't have access to the private forums over there.
Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:13 pm
by aldo
Black Wolf wrote:Hunter wrote:Meh: Sectorgame > Hard Light Productions. (more reliable too)
The wheel certainly turns doesn't it. I bet WCSAGA are pulling their hair out now

Muah ha ha...
Castor: Welcome to SG, but, err... why is your vasudan blue?
He has no helmet on. In space.