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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:34 pm
by Black Wolf
Howard won the election. :x

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:14 pm
by kasperl
How many terms can a PM have in Aussie, max?

How many has Howard had?

Now, Bush, Blair, Balkenende, let's pray none of those suffer the same fate.
(Balkenende: Dutch PM, total idiot, Bush's wipping boy)

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:39 pm
by Black Wolf
No limit, but Howard will probably retire either during this term or directly after it. He's stated an intention to retire in the past.

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:12 pm
by redmenace
Really....
I heard the opposition to Howard was Kerry's whipping boy.

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:27 am
by Black Wolf
Erm... not that I've heard. In fact, AFAIK, Kerry hasn't been mentioned at all in relation to the Australian election...

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 7:10 am
by liberator
Which is funny considering how his sister was down there campaigning for Howard's opposition.

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 7:31 am
by Black Wolf
Well, maybe she's concerned about the Tasmanian forests and Australia's ailing Health system?

As I said, I haven't heard anything about Kerry, Bush or anyone involved in the US elections doing anything to attempt to influence our elections. In fact, Labour respecially tends to get rather pissed off when Americans try to dictate policy to us.

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:22 am
by liberator
It doesn't matter why she was campaigning for Howard's opposition, as a foreigner, she has no right to interfere with your political system. And before you get that look on your face, I say that because Australia is a democratic nation ruled by duly elected representatives and an ally, unlike certain other countries that were run by madmen and theocratic despots who did their best to take basic human rights away from everyone save themselves.

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:03 am
by Black Wolf
liberator wrote:It doesn't matter why she was campaigning for Howard's opposition, as a foreigner, she has no right to interfere with your political system. And before you get that look on your face, I say that because Australia is a democratic nation ruled by duly elected representatives and an ally, unlike certain other countries that were run by madmen and theocratic despots who did their best to take basic human rights away from everyone save themselves.
I disagree. There are some election issues at work in Australia (and many other countries around the world) that do affect people that don't live here, and, while they might not get to vote, they still have a right to express their opinion. For example, one of the big issues of this election was the logging of old growth forests - these are not only a national treasure, but a worldwide treasure as well, and keep thousands of species alive. Do you think that since there are no Condors, or Sumatran tigers or sun bears in the US, you should be less concerned that they're critically endangered? Moreover, Australia is the largest per capita producer of greenhouse gasses in the world - while less of an issue at this election, global warming is something that definitely impacts other nations, and something the two parties disagreed on. Other issues, like immigration, foreign policy etc. are in similar positions.

I dunno if she was campaigning for Latham on these issues, or on something related to Kerrys US campaign (keep in mind, just because she's his sister doesn't mean everything she does is related to getting him elected), or something totally random, and frankly, I'm not that fussed about it.

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:54 am
by kasperl
Lib: Since everyone is jumping on US elections, I think it's fair game for you to jump on others :)

But as BW said, some issues are more then just national.

Well this just keeps getting better and better...

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:59 pm
by Black Wolf
Though it's not confirmed, it seems likely that the Family First party is going to get the balance of power in the senate. Which doesn't seem so bad - I like families after all - but apparently they're an ultra conservative right wing Christian party. I though tthose things were confined to the bloody US. :x

Now if Howard wants to get his bills through he's going to need to kiss these guys collective arses, and the government's going to lean even more towards the conservative christian side. Buh bye stem cell research. Buh bye gay civil union. Buh Bye vague common sense in the Australian government.

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:13 pm
by redmenace
About Kerry and The Australian Labour Canidate....Democrats here in the US have been exporting their campaign managers for a long time. Example would be John Carvil(also know as Snake Head or the Ragin' Cagin') helping Barak win in Israel. The main point of that was to help Clinton bring about peace in Israel; noble or self serving as it might seem, It didn't work. Now, I am not going to sit here and say the Barak and Clinton are to blame for the current violence, but Carvil should NOT have been down there.

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:14 pm
by kasperl
BW: Our president, and a good sized part of the government, is CDA, Christian Democratic Association (vague translation, but you get the point). The other bit is Rich Right (not the official name, but that doesn't translate too well) and to make the majority complete, Democrats, but those have become collective wipping boys. The end result is bye bye healthcare, bye bye education, bye bye drug policy, and say hi to biometric this and that and full registration if everyone even thinking of taking an airplane. Registration a vailable to anyone who yells "US" "Safety" or "Terrorism". Stem cell research is going down the drain, most wellfare stuff is following quickly, and the whole mess is only made worse by vague Iraq policies and fucked up wording.

Let's just pray Bush is going down on the "radio-during-tv-debate" thing, and Kerry is actually the least worse of the two.

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:29 pm
by Hippo
NADER FOR PRESIDENT!


*runs*

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:42 pm
by Goober5000
BADNARIK FOR PRESIDENT!

*stands his ground*

:D