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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:58 am
by liberator
Why shouldn't it?

I mean if it's evolution and not creation, shouldn't the same basic organizational structures exist on other as the same "weeding out" of the genepool apply.

Of course, if it's the other way around(creation instead of evolution), God played an awful joke on the Vasudans. I mean some of their physical features don't seem to do much of anything. I mean, what's with the funky lower legs? It makes them look spindly.

Also, why would them being reptillian have anything to do with them being cold-blooded. Most archaeologists now agree that Dinosaurs were for the most part homeothermic, why would alien lizardmen be any different? 'Specially when you consider that their from an arid world. They would need an internal temperature control indicative of homeothermic organisms.

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:39 am
by Black Wolf
The standard earth bound things wouldn't apply because there's simply no reason for them to. Dinosaurs are an ideal example - many scientists do agree that at least some genus' were warm blooded, which, by definition, means they weren't reptiles after all. In fact, in all likelyhood, dinosaurs wouldn't fit into any modern categories if we got a chance to examine one up close and in the flesh. They evolved the specific characteristics that allowed them to dominate their worlds irrespective of the categories taxonomists have put them in. Thus, if Vasudans needed, say, homeothermy, mammalian skin, a reptilian skull structure (This is what actually puts dinosaurs into the reptile category incidentally) and birdlike hips, as well as two hearts and six livers, what's to stop them?

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 2:47 pm
by Moonsword
Depends on exactly how you define reptile, Black Wolf. If it's based on lines of descent (as some argue it should be), then everyone in this forum technically falls into the category.

Liberator, one small problem with your comment: the majority of creatures in Terran deserts aren't mammals but reptiles.

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:56 pm
by liberator
I didn't say they had to be mammalian, only homeothermic. Vasuda Prime was a desert world, prone to high daytime temps and cold nighttime temps, cold-blooded(exothermic?) creatures cannot operate in high temps for very long and cold temps for even less. A Homeothermic creature, on the other hand, has a standard internal temp that their body tries to maintain, thus they can operate for longer periods in the heat and cold, especially once they had developed both insular and shaded clothing.(or been given, we are talking about the Vasudans after all). Before you bring it up, I realize that the only Vasudans we've ever seen were either naked or in a space suit, so they don't apparently have a nudity taboo.

BTW, desert reptiles have an advantage over desert mammals, they can go for longer periods of time without water.

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:41 pm
by Taristin
I will not deny reptilian roots. :p

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:57 pm
by Holy imperial Gloriano
looks like advanced Battlestar :) Nice work

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:22 pm
by Moonsword
Liberator, Terran desert reptiles are exothermic and maintain internal body temperature by taking advantage of external processes. We really don't know enough about either the Vasudans or Vasuda Prime to say much about either. We don't know that much more about them than the Shivans.

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:14 pm
by Kietotheworld
Back to the armour, how about crushed Neutrons, that would be damn near impossible to breach.
*Thinks about gameplay balance*
You could have half crushed neutrons...

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:24 pm
by Goober5000
Moonsword wrote:Liberator, Terran desert reptiles are exothermic and maintain internal body temperature by taking advantage of external processes. We really don't know enough about either the Vasudans or Vasuda Prime to say much about either. We don't know that much more about them than the Shivans.
We know a lot more about Vasudans than we know about Shivans.

And Vasudans can't be cold-blooded. Cold-blooded animals - especially desert ones - spend most of their time lying around trying to maintain their body temperature.

Methinks this thread needs to be split. ;)

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:28 pm
by Moonsword
Grimloq wrote:ok. just give me a polycount goal...
Sky's the limit as far as I'm concerned. I'll explain once I know what I need in more detail.

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:15 pm
by liberator
Kietotheworld wrote:Back to the armour, how about crushed Neutrons, that would be damn near impossible to breach.
You could have half crushed neutrons...
Except a cup of neutonium(matter so densely compacted that the electron shells are collapsed) weighs several million tons and has a massive gravitational effect from all that mass.
Goober5000 wrote:Methinks this thread needs to be split.
Agreed, though I think the Vasudan chatter has run it's course.

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:59 pm
by Grimloq
*sigh* lemme end this vasudan thingey

END

:razz:

the armor is made of <insert technobabble of choice here>. :)

and lemme gbar a new pic soon, ive neatly aligned the textures, and added bumpmaps! :razz:

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:18 pm
by Grimloq
lookie lookie!
Image

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:24 am
by Mad Bomber
Grimloq wrote:the armor is made of <insert technobabble of choice here>. :)
Collapsed Molybdenum plating, w/ Fullerene weave

The fullerene would help dissipate a bit of the energy from a beam strike, making the hull less melty, and crushed molybdenum is just plain tough to pierce. 8)

(You'll never be rid of me and my technobabble! Harr!) :razz:

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:30 am
by Grimloq
:idea: i like it