Death to player characters!

Well mot campaigns are a continuation of the FreeSpace storyline, but most have little to do with the actual Alpha 1 of FreeSpace 2.

Does this theory still hold if the shivans are intergalactic?

I ask because I was recently stumbled upon the ancients cutscenes on youtube, and aside from still being among the coolest cutscenes in history, there are a couple of interesting little snippits:

"And we discovered subspace. It gave us our galaxy and it gave us the universe."

and later:

"When we conquered and colonised in galaxies where we had no place the destruction and the anguish and the loss were the clarion call of our doom."

So I'm thinking that if the ancients were intergalactic, then the shivans would have to have been as well in order to...well...squash them.
What kind of cataclysm could disrupt an intergalactic species like that?

Vasudan Admiral wrote:Does this theory still hold if the shivans are intergalactic?

I ask because I was recently stumbled upon the ancients cutscenes on youtube, and aside from still being among the coolest cutscenes in history, there are a couple of interesting little snippits:

"And we discovered subspace. It gave us our galaxy and it gave us the universe."

and later:

"When we conquered and colonised in galaxies where we had no place the destruction and the anguish and the loss were the clarion call of our doom."

So I'm thinking that if the ancients were intergalactic, then the shivans would have to have been as well in order to...well...squash them.
What kind of cataclysm could disrupt an intergalactic species like that?

So I'm thinking that if the ancients were intergalactic, then the shivans would have to have been as well in order to...well...squash them.
They were. Wasn't there a mission in FS2 were you subspac'd beyond the known galaxy? Where you went throught the knossoss in the nebula! Remember?

What kind of cataclysm could disrupt an intergalactic species like that?
An asplosion obviously! Asplosions disrupt everythings you know.
Oh ye, i kno stuf

That doesn't make too much sense, do you mean what kind of force (cataclysm) could wipe out the ancients (an intergalactic species like that)? Because the Shivans kinda did. With the Lucifer.

Well, I'll spill it out here. This was the base theory for a campaign that will never get off the ground (it actually never was supposed to). It's a concept in progress, not finished yet

The Shivans were at war with 'some other species'. The war was based on fighting for subspace, to control subspace. Whoever controlled the most subspace nodes would win the war. The war stretched on for many hundreds of thousands of years and spanned many galaxies (there's the answer). The 'other species' decided that the war had gone on for long enough and decided in the end to create some 'Gravity Devices.' The Gravity Devices were used to destroy subspace nodes by using some kind of gravity disruption thingy. This makes larger subspace warps impossible because the gravity disrupts the 'base' energy that is needed for a successful inter-system jump. The gravity would probably crush things anyway. The Gravity Devices have their own defensive systems, so were mainly unstoppable.

The Shivans, spread across several galaxies, were unable to do much when the Gravity Devices reached the main nodes. The Shivans were utilizing the Sathanes fleet's ability to create supernodes on suns to traverse the galaxies. The Gravity Devices were created by 'the other species' to reverse the process of the supernodes. The Gravity Devices reached the main supernodes. After this, there was a big battle and the Shivans were able to destroy some of the devices. However, the 'other species' deactivated the devices for use later. But before they could reactivate them, they got blown up by one of the Shivan fleets who were trapped near the 'other species'' homeworld (stupid, I know).

The Shivans now had two objectives: to find each other, and to find and destroy all the Gravity Devices.

Hmm... good, very good, but but where do the GTVA come into it?
Or is it a Shivan campaign? Tell me, hungry for knowledge like a sponge i am.

ghhyrd wrote: Wasn't there a mission in FS2 were you subspac'd beyond the known galaxy? Where you went throught the knossoss in the nebula! Remember?

GTVA known space. The scenes make it clear the GTVA only occupies a portion of the Ancients total "empire"

ghhyrd wrote:Hmm... good, very good, but but where do the GTVA come into it?

One of the Grav Devices was in Vasuda Prime (okay, I stole that from Reci), and the other was in Sol or whatever.

In Forgotten Legacies, my campaign, the Shivan destroyer Isana enters Procyon and attempts to destroy the device there. But things go wrong.

But there's more to it, as the Shivans aren't the real enemy. If I do decide to make another campaign to go with this theory, the actual enemies wouldn't be the Shivans or 'the other species,' but something else.

Snail wrote:

ghhyrd wrote:Hmm... good, very good, but but where do the GTVA come into it?

One of the Grav Devices was in Vasuda Prime (okay, I stole that from Reci), and the other was in Sol or whatever.

Methinks it's kind of a stretch to say you stole it I doubt I was the first person to come up with a rationale for the Lucifers' escapades that wasn't purely xenophobic.

Should I put a Grav Device on the GTVA's capital planet in Beta Aquilae with 6.5 billion inhabitants + 2.5 billion in external installations? >)

Roanoke wrote:

ghhyrd wrote: Wasn't there a mission in FS2 were you subspac'd beyond the known galaxy? Where you went throught the knossoss in the nebula! Remember?

GTVA known space. The scenes make it clear the GTVA only occupies a portion of the Ancients total "empire"

I know that the GTVA only occupy a small portion, but maybe I got confused, do you mean that the places beyond the second and third knososses (wtf?) were in our galaxy?

Snail wrote:Should I put a Grav Device on the GTVA's capital planet in Beta Aquilae with 6.5 billion inhabitants + 2.5 billion in external installations? >)

I thought the capital was Delta Serpentis.

ghhyrd wrote:

Roanoke wrote:

ghhyrd wrote: Wasn't there a mission in FS2 were you subspac'd beyond the known galaxy? Where you went throught the knossoss in the nebula! Remember?

GTVA known space. The scenes make it clear the GTVA only occupies a portion of the Ancients total "empire"

I know that the GTVA only occupy a small portion, but maybe I got confused, do you mean that the places beyond the second and third knososses (wtf?) were in our galaxy?

Probably, but who knows.....?

ghhyrd wrote: I thought the capital was Delta Serpentis.

Nope. The GTVA's capital system is Beta Aquilae.

Snail wrote:

ghhyrd wrote: I thought the capital was Delta Serpentis.

Nope. The GTVA's capital system is Beta Aquilae.

I was certain it was Delta Serpentis....
How do we know anyweh?

Ehh... It's common knowledge on }-{|_¶.

Anyway, it could be reasoned because the BETAC treaty stands for Beta Aquilae, and BETAC is the basis for the GTVA, so it stands to reason to assume Beta Aqulae is the capital system of the ĢŦ\/Ã.

Snail wrote:Ehh... It's common knowledge on }-{|_¶.

Anyway, it could be reasoned because the BETAC treaty stands for Beta Aquilae, and BETAC is the basis for the GTVA, so it stands to reason to assume Beta Aqulae is the capital system of the ĢŦ\/Ã.

Is Geneva the capital of the world?